Anonymous said...
Warrior Blood,
Your comment is fair and your proposition is sensible. However, I have to disagree with you on the credibility of Hun Sen's election. It was because he won in a big landslide that it gives more suspicions that the election was rigged and cheated. Just think like this, Hun Sen and the CPP is running for the election and his cronies are organizing, running the election and counting the votes at the same time. Do you think they will not cheat and will not count the votes in their favor? Do you think the CPP puppets in the NEC (national election committee) would allow the SRP to win? The only best way to know what party would win fairly is to allow the election to be held by the UN like in 1993.
Another one of your suggestions about the fact that the SRP should create jobs and improve the Cambodian economy is also lacking insight. The SRP is an opposition party, it has no power to run the country and the economy, so it can't create jobs and improve the economy in the manner you have implied. However, the opposition can help to point out the government's shortcomings and mistakes as a way to help them improve the performance of the government. The role of the oppositions is to right the wrongs of the government. They point out the government's mistakes, like they criticize the government inability to tackle corruption. This is another way of helping the nation and economy. If corruption is reduced, honest investors will flow in, economy will improve, more money is going to the state coffer and people's life will be improved.
About the SRP helping the poor, I believe that they are sincere considering risks and danger they face in helping them. They could be killed by police or rogue soldiers hired by corrupt businessmen, charged with anything (subversion, for example), arrested and jailed; yet they were not scared to go and help them, like helping the villagers and farmers living along the Viet border who lost land to Vietnam. Just look at how many opposition figures have been arrested and jailed- Cheam Channy, Kem Sokha, Marm Sonando, Rong Chhun and others, for talking about border encroachments by Vietnam. And Mu Sochua and Sam Rainsy nearly go to jail because they dare to challenge Hun Sen's authority and criticize his border policy with Vietnam.
I agree that Cambodian politics is rough and tough. It hasn't reached the maturity like in developed countries yet. Sometimes the oppositions are too tough on the government and most of the time they have been victimized and suppressed hard by the government. This is because the government is not accountable to anything, not to the voters because they cheated to win, not to the parliament because the PM is controlling the military and police, not to his CPP because he is the ultimate party boss, even as a vice-president of the party, because he controlled the military and police and the party president Chea Sim is powerless because he controlled nothing. The best way for Cambodia to move forward is to change the leader and the government. Hun Sen must be replaced, not necessarily by the opposition politicians, but can be replaced by someone from his own party who is capable, like Sok An, Sar Kheng, Chea Sophara and so on.
25 June 2011 5:02 PM
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Warrior Blood said...
I realized some of you have disagreed with my comment, which is fine given the stand from SRP point of view. I am not saying Cambodian government is perfect, however we have to recognize the free economy, stability, and potential future for Cambodia is unlimited. Everywhere in the world like Cambodian society, they face challenging issues such as immigration, education, crime, health, jobs, housing etc. America itself is facing these issues daily and it's country has been developed over 300 years. I realized that you folks used this standard to compare Cambodia democracy which is fine because we have to shoot for the star and we might land at the moon which is not bad at all. Folks failed to realize that our nation is 20 years old starting from the peace agreement 1991. It is a huge task to compare ourselves to other developed nations with strong track record; it is not fair assessment but we can give it a shot. Pol Pot pretty much put the destruction in Cambodia and scared us many generations to come. Within the government leadership itself, some have PTSD (Post-traumatic stress disorder) that they can't even shake it off; imagine the entire population over 50% has PTSD. If you read "Koh Sontepeab" daily you will find story of suicides. Cambodia's mental issue is killing this young nation. PTSD transfer to the next generation to come. Don't forget the Cambodian "self" behavior that past down from generations after generations. Cambodian is more receptive to foreign (white) ideas than its own kind. All of the things I have mentioned are just a few samples, but it doesn't give the excuse to let thing operate as normal without pushing for improvement. I do not reject the idea of improvement; we cannot depend on the UN to monitor us or tell us what fair what is not. We have to govern ourselves with respect with each other. We are not there yet because politicians don't know when to concede defeat and when to conduct the next campaign. I don't agree with the role of SRP is to point out the mistake and do nothing themselves. You are in the parliamentary roles; what law did you introduced for the parliament to vote; you are correct there are many good leaders that love Cambodia as you mentioned names. If you proposed sensible law, it will pass and supported by those leaders. It is your role and responsibilities to dialogue with those leaders and sway them to pass the law that your people desperately needed. But if you called them "Kbot Cheat" or some called PM Hun Sen "One Eye Dump" "Uneducated"; these are words that shouldn't part of the well educated SRP leaders. Many time SRP called PM Hun Sen "Kyom Youn" etc. Don't forget the racial discrimination practice that SRP taught Cambodian future leaders; this is 21 century, you got to change the political ways of doing things. Do you really think people response well that way? Do you talk to your children that way? PM Hun Sen is elected leader of a country. I know you disagree and you claimed he cheated etc. Let me give you this scenario; SRP claimed that over 4-5 million "Youn" living in Srok Khmer, and they all can vote? I am not disputing the statistic which claimed by SRP. If SRP campaign coming out like "We must kicked Youn out of srok Khmer"; do you think they will vote for you? I guess not. That is 4-5 millions votes to PM Hun Sen, not counting 8-9 million Cambodian voters. Let's say we split half/half between CCP and SRP of Cambodian voters for the sake of the argument; CPP stills win like a landslide. Examine your fact; the number is too much to reverse the decision. I would encourage folks to read the book called "Cambodia Curses" then you will agree what the author said about SRP and others. By the way; if you get a chance to watch the TV interview that was done in Thailand with Sam Rainsy on border conflict then you will find out that he is not as smart as he think of himself. Overall, Sam Rainsy is not a bad person but needed guidance on how to speak to person or convey his message to Cambodian leaders.
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Anonymous said...
Warrior Blood,
Nice to see we are engaging in a sensible and educated debate without resorting to an arm-twisting tactic. However, your first part of the debate about the PTSD did not relate to the original subject, which is how Hun Sen won the election. It is true that we cannot depend on the UN to run our election forever, I don't suggest that. My point for saying that was because I want to point out that if we don't have an independent electoral body like the UN then there is no way to know which party won the election fairly. Everybody knew the CPP cheated to win, even some of the CPP members I know admitted it. Talking about people calling Mr. Hun Sen all sorts of names, I agree with you that it is not the right and educated thing to do. But you do not have to look any further to know why people behave that way, just listen to Mr. Hun Sen's speeches and you will know straight away how vulgar he is. He has called the oppositions all sorts of names himself, like "animals", "Kbot Cheat", "dogs", you name it. Mr. Hun Sen, as a PM, has everything to blame for using vulgar language to influence the young generation to follow suit, especially in his public speeches.
About introducing the laws into parliament, the SRP had introduced many good laws, like Son Chhay's private member's bill on Press Laws, bill on electoral reforms, border issues etc, etc, but they were all rejected because any reforms would mean loosening Hun Sen's and the CPP's grip on power.
Another one of your suggestions about the fact that the SRP should create jobs and improve the Cambodian economy is also lacking insight. The SRP is an opposition party, it has no power to run the country and the economy, so it can't create jobs and improve the economy in the manner you have implied. However, the opposition can help to point out the government's shortcomings and mistakes as a way to help them improve the performance of the government. The role of the oppositions is to right the wrongs of the government. They point out the government's mistakes, like they criticize the government inability to tackle corruption. This is another way of helping the nation and economy. If corruption is reduced, honest investors will flow in, economy will improve, more money is going to the state coffer and people's life will be improved.
About the SRP helping the poor, I believe that they are sincere considering risks and danger they face in helping them. They could be killed by police or rogue soldiers hired by corrupt businessmen, charged with anything (subversion, for example), arrested and jailed; yet they were not scared to go and help them, like helping the villagers and farmers living along the Viet border who lost land to Vietnam. Just look at how many opposition figures have been arrested and jailed- Cheam Channy, Kem Sokha, Marm Sonando, Rong Chhun and others, for talking about border encroachments by Vietnam. And Mu Sochua and Sam Rainsy nearly go to jail because they dare to challenge Hun Sen's authority and criticize his border policy with Vietnam.
I agree that Cambodian politics is rough and tough. It hasn't reached the maturity like in developed countries yet. Sometimes the oppositions are too tough on the government and most of the time they have been victimized and suppressed hard by the government. This is because the government is not accountable to anything, not to the voters because they cheated to win, not to the parliament because the PM is controlling the military and police, not to his CPP because he is the ultimate party boss, even as a vice-president of the party, because he controlled the military and police and the party president Chea Sim is powerless because he controlled nothing. The best way for Cambodia to move forward is to change the leader and the government. Hun Sen must be replaced, not necessarily by the opposition politicians, but can be replaced by someone from his own party who is capable, like Sok An, Sar Kheng, Chea Sophara and so on.
25 June 2011 5:02 PM
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Warrior Blood said...
I realized some of you have disagreed with my comment, which is fine given the stand from SRP point of view. I am not saying Cambodian government is perfect, however we have to recognize the free economy, stability, and potential future for Cambodia is unlimited. Everywhere in the world like Cambodian society, they face challenging issues such as immigration, education, crime, health, jobs, housing etc. America itself is facing these issues daily and it's country has been developed over 300 years. I realized that you folks used this standard to compare Cambodia democracy which is fine because we have to shoot for the star and we might land at the moon which is not bad at all. Folks failed to realize that our nation is 20 years old starting from the peace agreement 1991. It is a huge task to compare ourselves to other developed nations with strong track record; it is not fair assessment but we can give it a shot. Pol Pot pretty much put the destruction in Cambodia and scared us many generations to come. Within the government leadership itself, some have PTSD (Post-traumatic stress disorder) that they can't even shake it off; imagine the entire population over 50% has PTSD. If you read "Koh Sontepeab" daily you will find story of suicides. Cambodia's mental issue is killing this young nation. PTSD transfer to the next generation to come. Don't forget the Cambodian "self" behavior that past down from generations after generations. Cambodian is more receptive to foreign (white) ideas than its own kind. All of the things I have mentioned are just a few samples, but it doesn't give the excuse to let thing operate as normal without pushing for improvement. I do not reject the idea of improvement; we cannot depend on the UN to monitor us or tell us what fair what is not. We have to govern ourselves with respect with each other. We are not there yet because politicians don't know when to concede defeat and when to conduct the next campaign. I don't agree with the role of SRP is to point out the mistake and do nothing themselves. You are in the parliamentary roles; what law did you introduced for the parliament to vote; you are correct there are many good leaders that love Cambodia as you mentioned names. If you proposed sensible law, it will pass and supported by those leaders. It is your role and responsibilities to dialogue with those leaders and sway them to pass the law that your people desperately needed. But if you called them "Kbot Cheat" or some called PM Hun Sen "One Eye Dump" "Uneducated"; these are words that shouldn't part of the well educated SRP leaders. Many time SRP called PM Hun Sen "Kyom Youn" etc. Don't forget the racial discrimination practice that SRP taught Cambodian future leaders; this is 21 century, you got to change the political ways of doing things. Do you really think people response well that way? Do you talk to your children that way? PM Hun Sen is elected leader of a country. I know you disagree and you claimed he cheated etc. Let me give you this scenario; SRP claimed that over 4-5 million "Youn" living in Srok Khmer, and they all can vote? I am not disputing the statistic which claimed by SRP. If SRP campaign coming out like "We must kicked Youn out of srok Khmer"; do you think they will vote for you? I guess not. That is 4-5 millions votes to PM Hun Sen, not counting 8-9 million Cambodian voters. Let's say we split half/half between CCP and SRP of Cambodian voters for the sake of the argument; CPP stills win like a landslide. Examine your fact; the number is too much to reverse the decision. I would encourage folks to read the book called "Cambodia Curses" then you will agree what the author said about SRP and others. By the way; if you get a chance to watch the TV interview that was done in Thailand with Sam Rainsy on border conflict then you will find out that he is not as smart as he think of himself. Overall, Sam Rainsy is not a bad person but needed guidance on how to speak to person or convey his message to Cambodian leaders.
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Anonymous said...
Warrior Blood,
Nice to see we are engaging in a sensible and educated debate without resorting to an arm-twisting tactic. However, your first part of the debate about the PTSD did not relate to the original subject, which is how Hun Sen won the election. It is true that we cannot depend on the UN to run our election forever, I don't suggest that. My point for saying that was because I want to point out that if we don't have an independent electoral body like the UN then there is no way to know which party won the election fairly. Everybody knew the CPP cheated to win, even some of the CPP members I know admitted it. Talking about people calling Mr. Hun Sen all sorts of names, I agree with you that it is not the right and educated thing to do. But you do not have to look any further to know why people behave that way, just listen to Mr. Hun Sen's speeches and you will know straight away how vulgar he is. He has called the oppositions all sorts of names himself, like "animals", "Kbot Cheat", "dogs", you name it. Mr. Hun Sen, as a PM, has everything to blame for using vulgar language to influence the young generation to follow suit, especially in his public speeches.
About introducing the laws into parliament, the SRP had introduced many good laws, like Son Chhay's private member's bill on Press Laws, bill on electoral reforms, border issues etc, etc, but they were all rejected because any reforms would mean loosening Hun Sen's and the CPP's grip on power.
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